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Offline Liam

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Which pump?
« on: 02 February 2013, 08:36:57 PM »
So at my knowledge assessment with the pump DNS she told me to look at Medtronic and Animas pumps online. I'm finding it pretty hard to work out the advantages of one over the other etc. The pump sites all seem full of marketing and little hard information. She suggested 'pump school' for the medtronic but I can't work out which pump it would be from the list.

I'm pretty lost. I think I'm going to call her up and ask for the model names and numbers they supply.
DX Type I 1994.    Novorapid Animas Vibe pump
HbA1c 3/10 10.2%, 7/10 8.1%, 12/10 7.5%.
2/11 7.8%, 8/11 8.6% 9/11 8.3%.
3/12 62 (7.8%). 10/12 67 (8.3%)
4/13 63 (7.9%) 6/13 59 (7.5%)
1/14 71 (8.6%) 7/14 59 (7.5%) 11/14 (6.7%)
3/15 56 (7.3%) 12/15 49 (6.6%)
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Re: Which pump?
« Reply #1 on: 02 February 2013, 08:43:26 PM »
Am I right in thinking it is likely between a Veo and a vibe?
DX Type I 1994.    Novorapid Animas Vibe pump
HbA1c 3/10 10.2%, 7/10 8.1%, 12/10 7.5%.
2/11 7.8%, 8/11 8.6% 9/11 8.3%.
3/12 62 (7.8%). 10/12 67 (8.3%)
4/13 63 (7.9%) 6/13 59 (7.5%)
1/14 71 (8.6%) 7/14 59 (7.5%) 11/14 (6.7%)
3/15 56 (7.3%) 12/15 49 (6.6%)
Ramipril: 10mg Quetiapine: 550mg Metformin: 2000mg

Offline Dollyrocker

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Re: Which pump?
« Reply #2 on: 02 February 2013, 08:46:41 PM »
Tonbe honest they are all much of a muchness functionwise, I have a medtronic paradigm veo which comes in 2 sizes, mine is a 500 but if you use a lot of insulin you are better off with the 700 which is a bit bigger and holds 300u instead if 150 in the 500 (I think thise numbers are correct)

I'm sure someone will be along to tell you about the animas, I chose the veo because it seemed a little more user friendly plus it can be connected to a cgm system really easily and you get graphs and stats on the pump screen.

The best way to choose us really to compare the real things side by side, if your clinic doesnt offer this though I guess you will be at the mercy of deciphering peoples opinions! The helplines are usually really good if you have a more technical question or need support, i've been really impressed with the service medtronic offer, again, l cant comment on the animas people though l have heard good things

What else do you need to know? l will try and helpnif I can :)


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Re: Which pump?
« Reply #3 on: 02 February 2013, 08:47:10 PM »
I havent seen the vibe, my understanding is that in the uk they offer the veo


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Re: Which pump?
« Reply #4 on: 02 February 2013, 08:54:18 PM »
The vibe is the Animas one.
DX Type I 1994.    Novorapid Animas Vibe pump
HbA1c 3/10 10.2%, 7/10 8.1%, 12/10 7.5%.
2/11 7.8%, 8/11 8.6% 9/11 8.3%.
3/12 62 (7.8%). 10/12 67 (8.3%)
4/13 63 (7.9%) 6/13 59 (7.5%)
1/14 71 (8.6%) 7/14 59 (7.5%) 11/14 (6.7%)
3/15 56 (7.3%) 12/15 49 (6.6%)
Ramipril: 10mg Quetiapine: 550mg Metformin: 2000mg

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Re: Which pump?
« Reply #5 on: 02 February 2013, 08:57:28 PM »
No no the Veo is the Medtronic one!  Mike EDUAD has a Veo.  Not sure  which TerryG has, the Veo or the older one, think Winni has the older one.

Think the previous Animas was the 2020, but the Vibe is newer and it matches with the Dexcom CGMS, but not sure what it's other features are.

Think vickiT either has or had an Animas,  Sue also has an Amimas - 2020 I believe cos the Vibe hadn't appeared when she got hers.  (And she doesn't think it's as good as her old pump - but that mfr stopped making pumps so she couldn't have a new one of them.  So you can't go by that comparison cos no pump now on the market has certain features of her old one!)
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HbA1c - 7/07 8.7, 1/08 7.8, 9/08 8.4, 3/09 7.3, 7/09 7.2, 12/09 7.3, 11/10 8.1, 2/11 8.6, 9/11 6.5 2/12 6.4  5/12 50/6.7  11/12 52/6.9  01/13 46/6.4  06/16 46/6.4  12/16 45/6.4

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Re: Which pump?
« Reply #6 on: 02 February 2013, 09:00:46 PM »
I've seen the pumps and she clicked some buttons but it wasn't a good enough play to really see what they are like. I get a week of saline when I'll get to play with one. I'm still fairly close to the start of my pump journey, I've not even had the funding letter yet. I know what you mean that they are all 'basically the same', I just feel like I'm making a big expensive choice without good reasons.

 
DX Type I 1994.    Novorapid Animas Vibe pump
HbA1c 3/10 10.2%, 7/10 8.1%, 12/10 7.5%.
2/11 7.8%, 8/11 8.6% 9/11 8.3%.
3/12 62 (7.8%). 10/12 67 (8.3%)
4/13 63 (7.9%) 6/13 59 (7.5%)
1/14 71 (8.6%) 7/14 59 (7.5%) 11/14 (6.7%)
3/15 56 (7.3%) 12/15 49 (6.6%)
Ramipril: 10mg Quetiapine: 550mg Metformin: 2000mg

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Re: Which pump?
« Reply #7 on: 02 February 2013, 09:16:42 PM »
Thing being Liam, you are where I was 2 years ago.

And you will LOVE whatever pump you get, because you've never had one before so it will be an improvement whichever way you look at it.

What annoys me about MY pump? and what annoys others about theirs?

Should we start another thread Liam and have it as a sticky in the Pump section?

Would that help you and others do you think? 

I think it would - but YOU call it !  It's YOUR forum !
Jenny

T1 DX 1972, pumping Novorapid 24/05/11

HbA1c - 7/07 8.7, 1/08 7.8, 9/08 8.4, 3/09 7.3, 7/09 7.2, 12/09 7.3, 11/10 8.1, 2/11 8.6, 9/11 6.5 2/12 6.4  5/12 50/6.7  11/12 52/6.9  01/13 46/6.4  06/16 46/6.4  12/16 45/6.4

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Re: Which pump?
« Reply #8 on: 03 February 2013, 10:53:51 AM »
I think the vibe is the most waterproof and has a colour screen, but I know Sue had some niggles with the changes they had made to the interface over the 2020. I think there was a thread on diabetes-support.co.uk about it.

I really like the Veo. Very easy to use, great bolus wizard, flexible set-up.

Only 2 alternative basal patterns though (but very tiny basal increments).

I did write a post about a few other niggles with the Veo here: http://www.everydayupsanddowns.co.uk/2012/06/dear-medtronic.html
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Re: Which pump?
« Reply #9 on: 03 February 2013, 11:08:35 AM »
Oh... And another thing worth checking is the variety of available infusion sets. I would want at least the option of straight and angled Teflon and straight steel, but the wider number of choices of manufacturer, lengths and lengths of tubing the better.
Mike

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Re: Which pump?
« Reply #10 on: 03 February 2013, 11:37:04 AM »
Liam
 
If you go to 'Search' on this forum or hyphenated and just search for 'Animas' or 'Veo' you will come up with shedloads of threads.
 
Not sure if you can search as a guest on hyphenated so here are a selection of some of the 3 or 4 pages of individual threads it returned for me ONLY in the Pumping section
 
http://www.diabetessupport.co.uk/boards/showthread.php?t=32646&highlight=Animas
http://www.diabetessupport.co.uk/boards/showthread.php?t=30855&highlight=Animas
http://www.diabetessupport.co.uk/boards/showthread.php?t=28788&highlight=Animas
 
 
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T1 DX 1972, pumping Novorapid 24/05/11

HbA1c - 7/07 8.7, 1/08 7.8, 9/08 8.4, 3/09 7.3, 7/09 7.2, 12/09 7.3, 11/10 8.1, 2/11 8.6, 9/11 6.5 2/12 6.4  5/12 50/6.7  11/12 52/6.9  01/13 46/6.4  06/16 46/6.4  12/16 45/6.4

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Re: Which pump?
« Reply #11 on: 03 February 2013, 12:06:18 PM »
I've had the Animas 2020 since March 2009, and had been trialling the Vibe from 19th Dec until last Thurs, when I  to  Minimed Veo for a trial (only getting to try the newer pumps as I'm trying CGM before buying it).
I've loved it, it's been pretty user friendly IMO & I love the large screen. However, there are always niggles with every pump - I'm now wishing I had microelectronics training & funding to set up my own pump company & blow the rest out of the water!

I just wrote a huge post which was difficult to read & confusing, so am editing like mad to improve. Really need a table but will try a comparison list.

Screen: Vibe- large, blank most of the time, light up & goes to home screen when you press any button. Home screen shows battery icon with squares to show how much power is left, shows how many units of insulin left in cartridge & your basal rate. It has text to tell you you have a TBR running & how long it has left, also tel you if you have a Combo
bolus running & how long is left on that. Easy to read, I use it as a clock as the time is so visible. Hard to see in direct sunlight - very rarely a problem in the UK.
       Veo - small screen, shows time & battery & cartridge icons all the time, not actual units remaining. If you have a TBR or combo bolus running there's an open circle icon on the screen, but this is just a non specific alert icon & doesn't tell you exactly what the alert is. At night, if it alarms, you have to press the "B" button & then the "down" arrow to get it to light up (they don't tell you this in the manual, we all just found out yesterday from Ali), otherwise you can't see a thing!

Menus: both pretty easy to use, I think the Veo may be slightly more user friendly to navigate but I don't see any major difference.

Functions: both have 0.025u basal increments & different basal patterns - 3 on the Veo & 4 on the Vibe. If you are on an alternative pattern with the Veo it shows that open circle warning icon on the screen all the time. The Veo also alerts every hour you have a TBR running, whereas the Vibe just shows you on the screen that it's running & how much time is left, which is much better IMO.
You can do prolonged boluses with each, they just have different names, but do exactly the same thing.
You can set active insulin duration for both - the Veo only in 1hr increments, the Vibe with 30min increments - useful for me as mine is 4.5hrs for Novorapid.
They both can be set to remind you to check your BG 1or 2 hrs after a bolus.
The Animas warns you when you have 10 or 20u left in cartridge, you can't choose any lower number or any "in-between" number. The Medtronic one you can choose whatever lower limit you want, or you can choose time (but this only calculates time using your basal rate, so I don't use it cos I need to bolus as well!)

Alarms: the Veo can have long, medium or short beeps or vibrate & I wake better with these alarms. The Vibe plays an annoying tune at different volume levels or vibrates, I only use vibrate as hate the tune so much, and it doesn't wake me up anyway.

Infusion sets: only used 1 type for both pumps as never had any problems, and don't know how many are available, though I think there are more with Medtronic. The cartridge attachment to the pump is better with the Medtronic than with the Animas, but neither are bad.

Battery life is similar I think.


Overall, they're both great pumps, they both do a very good job & there's little to choose between them apart from minor niggles. You will love whatever you get. Unless you do water sports & need a waterproof pump you could just pick at random, or choose the one you like the look of best. I vacillated as I had those options (plus the Accu-chek Spirit at the time), am coming up to getting a new one end March & still am not sure whether to stick with Animas or switch.
Type 1 since 1979, Addison's disease & hypothyroid 1998. HbA1c Nov 12: 54/7.1%, Feb 13: 53/7%, 46/6.4% April 13.
Cholesterol 6.2, HDL 3.1, trigs 1.4.
On insulin pump since 2009, now Animas Vibe & CGM, thyroxine, hydrocortisone, fludrocortisone.
Did have background retinopathy until a year ago - none seen on last 2 retinal screens!!

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Re: Which pump?
« Reply #12 on: 03 February 2013, 12:57:57 PM »
Oh, and with the Animas, if you change the battery you have to do a complete rewind with the cartridge & it "forgets" your last bolus & cancels out any active insulin on board. The Medtronic doesn't do any of this. Because I've had the Animas for so long, I generally just make sure I change the battery before a new bolus & a few hrs after my last bolus, but it is a problem.
Type 1 since 1979, Addison's disease & hypothyroid 1998. HbA1c Nov 12: 54/7.1%, Feb 13: 53/7%, 46/6.4% April 13.
Cholesterol 6.2, HDL 3.1, trigs 1.4.
On insulin pump since 2009, now Animas Vibe & CGM, thyroxine, hydrocortisone, fludrocortisone.
Did have background retinopathy until a year ago - none seen on last 2 retinal screens!!

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Re: Which pump?
« Reply #13 on: 24 February 2013, 01:43:56 PM »
I'm on the Medtronic Veo and very happy with it.

If anyone felt like adding reviews of pumps (especially those not already covered) to our reference pages http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/info/?page_id=712 , that would be good. Just PM me the review and I'll put it up.
T1 DX 06/2003 ex-Lantus/Novo, now using Medtronic Paradigm Veo with Apidra. Dafne graduate.

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Re: Which pump?
« Reply #14 on: 11 February 2014, 09:48:25 AM »
The Cellnovo pump is just starting it's uk roll out.
Type 1 since 1970.
Pumping since Jan 12, using Accu-Check Insight with Novorapid since Jan 16.
CGM since Nov 12, using Dexcom G4 (self funded)
Hba1c: Jan 12 8.4, Apr 12 7.6, Jul 12 7.8, Oct 12 7.8, Dec 12 7.5, Sep 13 7.0, Feb 15 7.0, June 16 6.1