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Offline carty

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Re: High cholesterol and atherosclerotic plaque
« Reply #15 on: 30 November 2013, 01:08:49 PM »
Just found it paul cant seem to find any other posts only this 1 !!

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« Reply #16 on: 30 November 2013, 01:34:14 PM »
Hi Avocado, I have been  a lurker in the dark on the forum  for a while now but just had to register to-day so that I could congratulate you in person.

May I also commend your restraint at not doing a celebration dance in front of the medical professionals who, one the whole, reckon our way of eating is soooo dangerous.  LCHF rocks.

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« Reply #17 on: 30 November 2013, 01:49:09 PM »
I received the Pre-op assement questionnaire today. I have written in fully now about my diet. In the "concerns about your hospital stay" section, I have stressed that my diet is not the typical diabetes diet and stated clearly what I do and don't eat. I'm going to attach a copy of my latest blood test results and have commented that my diet is "quite high fat" and pointing out that it is not harmful for me as the clear angiogram and good lipid profile and good HbA1c show. I've no idea what they'll make of it but I've stated that I'm possible coeliac and haven't had grains for seven years so it would be bad to have them now, and that it would be bad to have higher carbohydrates becasue my bg control is very strict and good on 30 to 50g carb per day.


Here's hoping they accept this and that they wonder and learn - that would be our dream here wouldn't it !
Anne

Atypical Type 2, thin, not insulin resistant, diagnosed March 2007. Very low carb (30 - 50g per day) Paleo diet and exercise - Prandin (Repaglinide) 0.5mg. Aortic Valve Replacement Jan 2014, Osteoporosis, Small airways disease, probable coeliac - Strontium Ranelate 2g/d, Omacor 2g/d, vitamin K2 300mcg/d, Aviticol (vit D3) 20,000 IU every week, Qvar 100 2/day.

Current HbA1c 33 Current total cholesterol 7, HDL 3.5, LDL 3.2, triglycerides 0.4

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Re: High cholesterol and atherosclerotic plaque
« Reply #18 on: 30 November 2013, 04:54:32 PM »
Hi Avocado
How pleased I am to read your high chol has not resulted in furred up arteries as you know my chol is 9.1 and 8.6 fasting
Awaiting coronary angio and hope my outcome is as good as yours plaque wise then I too can relax because as you so rightly say there is always that niggling doubt re statins
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« Reply #19 on: 30 November 2013, 05:16:05 PM »
Hello Catza and Carty and welcome to the forum

Perhaps you'd like to tell us a bit about yourselves in the introduction section  :) which is here http://diabetes-support.org.uk/diabetesforum/index.php/board,6.0.html  We do love to get to know new people and we're a nosy bunch  ;D

Carty, the home page is here http://diabetes-support.org.uk/diabetesforum/index.php and is a good place to start looking into the different sections.  Hope this helps.

Victoria - I have no doubts whatsoever about statins - I wouldn't touch one with a bargepole.  That doesn't mean to say I don't have niggling doubts as to whether I have plaque. If it's present I still don't think taking statins is the right answer. But that's talking for myself and I can understand how terribly worrying it is when the medics are insisting.  I do hope the results of your awaited tests prove you don't have it.  Pity we all can't have a scan isn't it? :-\

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Here's hoping they accept this and that they wonder and learn - that would be our dream here wouldn't it !
Here and in just about every other diabetic forum worldwide!  I'd love to see the appalling dietary advice overturned in my lifetime, and sooner rather than later.
 
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Re: High cholesterol and atherosclerotic plaque
« Reply #20 on: 30 November 2013, 05:17:42 PM »
I think this thread is very important for us all to look back on in the future, so I am going to make it sticky.
Patti


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« Reply #21 on: 01 December 2013, 09:59:37 AM »
Awaiting coronary angio and hope my outcome is as good as yours plaque wise then I too can relax because as you so rightly say there is always that niggling doubt re statins
Wishing you well with yours Victoria !

I do think that the plaque some people get is more due to inflammation and what aggravates that. Malcolm Kendrick suggests that it's stress and the hormones produced by that. Others say it's carbs, certainly high carbs can lead to vascular damage. Dr William Davies has several strategies to reverse plaque, like no wheat, low carb, and taking fish oils and vitamin D - he recently added vitamin K2 which I also take for osteoporosis. It does all seem a bit complicated but it's nice to know that it's not saturated fat !
Anne

Atypical Type 2, thin, not insulin resistant, diagnosed March 2007. Very low carb (30 - 50g per day) Paleo diet and exercise - Prandin (Repaglinide) 0.5mg. Aortic Valve Replacement Jan 2014, Osteoporosis, Small airways disease, probable coeliac - Strontium Ranelate 2g/d, Omacor 2g/d, vitamin K2 300mcg/d, Aviticol (vit D3) 20,000 IU every week, Qvar 100 2/day.

Current HbA1c 33 Current total cholesterol 7, HDL 3.5, LDL 3.2, triglycerides 0.4

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« Reply #22 on: 01 December 2013, 04:04:15 PM »
Here's a question - re the diet thing really.

Is it normal these days for a planned stay, to be asked questions like this?

Have to say Pete was the last one staying in an actual proper ward - firstly cardio thoracic and after that orthopaedic - and it was just a matter of taking pot luck on whatever happened to be on the trolley at the time.  And one of the meals each day was sandwiches, usually with soup.  He was in Shrewsbury hosp before our one, and the same thing there.
Jenny

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HbA1c - 7/07 8.7, 1/08 7.8, 9/08 8.4, 3/09 7.3, 7/09 7.2, 12/09 7.3, 11/10 8.1, 2/11 8.6, 9/11 6.5 2/12 6.4  5/12 50/6.7  11/12 52/6.9  01/13 46/6.4  06/16 46/6.4  12/16 45/6.4

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« Reply #23 on: 01 December 2013, 04:28:52 PM »
Here's a question - re the diet thing really.

Is it normal these days for a planned stay, to be asked questions like this?
I don't know Jenny. I'm going to St Anthony's Hospital which is a private hospital, Bupa are paying for me as we get that courtesy of dh's work. St Anthony's specialises in cardiac surgery and is one of the very few private hospitals which has an intensive care unit. The surgeons mostly come from St George's Hospital a massive NHS teaching hospital. In the information booklet it says "You will be offered heart healthy options on your menu. If you would prefer something that is not on the menu, please ask" !  So on the menu will be low fat this and that with undoubtedly high complex carb this and that - so in the "concerns"  section of the form I wrote my concerns re my diabetes diet. I would have thought that an NHS hospital would still take care of diabetics properly, but, come to think of it, we have a friend, Type 1 diabetic, who was in St George's and she wasn't offered diabetic healthy food at all ! Well, we'll see ! If necessary dh will bring me supplementary food !
Anne

Atypical Type 2, thin, not insulin resistant, diagnosed March 2007. Very low carb (30 - 50g per day) Paleo diet and exercise - Prandin (Repaglinide) 0.5mg. Aortic Valve Replacement Jan 2014, Osteoporosis, Small airways disease, probable coeliac - Strontium Ranelate 2g/d, Omacor 2g/d, vitamin K2 300mcg/d, Aviticol (vit D3) 20,000 IU every week, Qvar 100 2/day.

Current HbA1c 33 Current total cholesterol 7, HDL 3.5, LDL 3.2, triglycerides 0.4

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« Reply #24 on: 01 December 2013, 05:51:27 PM »
I had a planned stay in BUPA Droitwich but that was just a choice from their lovely 'normal' menu.

The Cook came to see me one day and said they'd told her I was D, she catered very well for diabetics, loved doing it - perhaps I'd like to sample her speciality sugar-free bread and butter pudding?

(What? - you mean people put SUGAR in B&B pud?   WHY? - it has sultanas in it for starters apart from the bread!  Not in my kitchen Mrs, nor my mum's, and none of us were diabetic!)  (egg custard, yes.  Not in B&B though ....)

Err, no thanks, I don't eat a lot of puddings!  LOL
Jenny

T1 DX 1972, pumping Novorapid 24/05/11

HbA1c - 7/07 8.7, 1/08 7.8, 9/08 8.4, 3/09 7.3, 7/09 7.2, 12/09 7.3, 11/10 8.1, 2/11 8.6, 9/11 6.5 2/12 6.4  5/12 50/6.7  11/12 52/6.9  01/13 46/6.4  06/16 46/6.4  12/16 45/6.4

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Re: High cholesterol and atherosclerotic plaque
« Reply #25 on: 01 December 2013, 05:52:14 PM »
PS fortunately I only ate there for 2 days cos I was on a drip prior to that !
Jenny

T1 DX 1972, pumping Novorapid 24/05/11

HbA1c - 7/07 8.7, 1/08 7.8, 9/08 8.4, 3/09 7.3, 7/09 7.2, 12/09 7.3, 11/10 8.1, 2/11 8.6, 9/11 6.5 2/12 6.4  5/12 50/6.7  11/12 52/6.9  01/13 46/6.4  06/16 46/6.4  12/16 45/6.4

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« Reply #26 on: 03 December 2013, 01:46:35 PM »
I was admitted to West Middlesex earlier this year just after I started doing the low carb thing. You only had the opportunity to choose from a list so I went for something or the other and said "No potato please" and the meal was delivered minus potato. Great! . . . . . I thought. The lady who delivered the food was different to the lady who "took my order" and because her english wasn't great decided that I needed fattening up and came back with a soup bowl full of mash potato or was it the plaster they use for broken limbs. Bless her, she was only trying to help. I remember looking at the bowl and thinking "National Gallery? Tate Modern? Turner Prize?", it was fairly grim, but did make me laugh, so that can't be bad.
Graham
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« Reply #27 on: 07 December 2013, 08:25:47 PM »
Great thread, Avocado, and good to have it as a sticky. Not that I kid myself that I eat as well as you do. But wonderful to see that plaque result, sorry, NO plaque result. All the best for the surgery.
Type 2, diagnosed Nov 09. Diet and exercise. Last HbA1c 5.8

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« Reply #28 on: 09 December 2013, 02:00:50 AM »
How dare that Dr try to frighten you by saying things that are not true!  I think that's seriously unethical!
Quite right! The patient should complain lest others get the same treatment. However, doctors tell us lots that is untrue about heart disease & cholesterol, do they not?
T2 Dx 2000 Metformin Gliclazide HbA1c 53 BP 129/79 Cholesterol 5.4, HDL 1.16, LDL 2.9.

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« Reply #29 on: 09 December 2013, 09:14:24 AM »
I'd like to think they tell us stuff out of ignorance, because they want tow the party line and don't want to rock the boat, therefore don't look further than the advise they get. I have a confrontation (appointment) looming at the end of January as I will have been off statins for 3 months and they want to check my cholesterol. Hopefully they will understand when I tell them that I'm happy with my cholesterol. BTW, ref no statins, leg muscle pain pretty much gone, just the arthritic knees to cope with. The sleep however is like a miracle, slept until 8:30 yesterday (Sunday), unheard of for me. Brain still foggy though.
Graham
Type II since '97? Metformin 2 gm, Gliclazide 0 gm (was 240), Januvia 0 mg (was 25 mg) Atorvastatin 0 mg (was 40), Doxazosin 8 mg, Amlodapine 10 mg, Lisinopril 20 mg.