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substitutes for salt
« on: 08 January 2015, 07:40:42 AM »
we all know that loads of salt is not good for us but does anyone besides me use lots of pepper and herbs and have come to really enjoy pepper on their food like I do ??
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Re: substitutes for salt
« Reply #1 on: 08 January 2015, 08:22:13 AM »
I do. I use a 'low salt' called Herbamare which I got from Holland and Barrett (other lo salts are available) - an even lower salt version of it is available - it contains a lot of tasty herbs which make up for the lower quantity of salt. I too enjoy pepper - though it has to be black.

I had a friend who really liked salt - so much so that when his plate was removed from the table that there was a perfect circle of salt outlining where his plate had been

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Re: substitutes for salt
« Reply #2 on: 08 January 2015, 10:44:01 AM »
I don't low salt but there again there are only two foodstuffs I ever put it on - eggs and chips !  Approx 0.5 tsp in water for spuds and we used salted butter.
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Re: substitutes for salt
« Reply #3 on: 08 January 2015, 01:16:00 PM »
I do. I use a 'low salt' called Herbamare which I got from Holland and Barrett (other lo salts are available) - an even lower salt version of it is available - it contains a lot of tasty herbs which make up for the lower quantity of salt. I too enjoy pepper - though it has to be black.

I had a friend who really liked salt - so much so that when his plate was removed from the table that there was a perfect circle of salt outlining where his plate had been

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thanks ziggy -- will have a look for that
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Re: substitutes for salt
« Reply #4 on: 08 January 2015, 02:33:00 PM »
I thought low salt was worst than normal salt? I might be wrong but I'm sure I heard that somewhere, I just use salt as I like really. I like my food less salty than my brother so when I cook for us I use less on mine and he adds to his. 
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« Reply #5 on: 08 January 2015, 04:28:14 PM »
Lo-salt substitutes are often made with potassium chloride (rather than sodium chloride). Certain medical conditions and medications make it harder for the body to eliminate potassium, thus taking in extra potassium in an attempt to avoid salt can be harmful. Very often these are precisely the conditions that might cause someone to look at reducing salt intake in the first place (kidney disease, for example, or certain diuretics - taken for fluid retention problems, to which high salt intake is thought to contribute), meaning that good-intentioned but underinformed folks with these conditions can end up doing themselves more harm than good.

Personally I don't worry much about salt, I do salt my food, some foods quite a bit. BP is fine, kidneys are fine, so I don't stress over salting my food. Anyway salt we add ourselves to food is usually pretty minimal as compared to salt that's "built in" to a lot of foods. Cutting processed foods - especially things like canned soups and sauces, commercial bread, processed meats and the like - helps in two ways. Not only does it get rid of all the salt that's in the processed foods to begin with, but not eating them leaves your taste buds less used to the taste of salt generally. So when the time comes to put salt on your food, you're more sensitive to the taste and need less for it to taste "right".

So if I were concerned with sodium intake, I would focus my energy on processed foods rather than on salting food less or on replacing table salt necessarily (unless you want to of course; there is something to be said for *seasoning* food and not just salting it!)
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« Reply #6 on: 08 January 2015, 05:00:53 PM »
I did a quick bit of reading on this and the salt = high BP thing started with rats being given 15,000% the salt that an average human eats and the results have never been reproduced since the study in the 70s (there has been lots of studies that failed to show the same effect since). I don't eat many processed foods any more and I'm happy to salt food to my taste. 
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« Reply #7 on: 08 January 2015, 05:18:01 PM »
Well I've been Googling sodium, there's very little about low sodium and esp not with high BP - but anyway having seen that 6g sodium is the max we're sposed to eat I wondered how much I do actually consume.  1g sodium - 2.5g table salt and I started with that, apparently I use about 0.5g salt in the spuds (other veg are steamed on top of the same pan normally so no more because of them) so that's o.2g sodium.

There's a tiny bit in a Weetabix, in two slices of the bread I'm using at the mo and of course in the salted butter I spread on it.  I rarely have a cheese sandwich but if I did there's 0.7g in 100g - so eg  I cooked cheese muffins and stuck about that with about 90g of Gr Almond mix which made 16 muffins - it's all pretty negligible.

I don't understand.  Low sodium is usually linked to fluid retention - well I'm hardly doing that am I with my bladder probs!

Paul - do you HONESTLY think you NEED lower salt ?  How much do you actually consume?
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« Reply #8 on: 08 January 2015, 06:22:21 PM »
I confess when I first read this thread, before Nytquill and Liam commented I was thinking "I thought all this salt is harmful business had been debunked", but I was busy and hadn't time to google it even though I recalled reading somewhere that the advice had been overturned.

Anyway, I use lots of herbs and spices in cooking so it always tastes "tasty" and we don't eat processed food except once in a blue moon (like New Year's Eve when I got an M&S moussaka for supper as I knew we weren't arriving home from a 3 hour drive and a day's shopping until gone 7pm & the larder was bare as we'd been away a week).  We do eat tons of cheese though, and the butter with salt crystals in it.  Also if I have cramp I often take a teaspoon of table salt to stop it and I think it tastes vile!

I have one friend who has driven me mad over the years when she piles tons of salt on the food I serve before she's even tasted it!  However she now does have heart problems and thinking about it I don't recall seeing her do the salt thing recently.

I have never even given a thought to a low salt alternative.
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Re: substitutes for salt
« Reply #9 on: 08 January 2015, 08:13:48 PM »
I confess when I first read this thread, before Nytquill and Liam commented I was thinking "I thought all this salt is harmful business had been debunked", but I was busy and hadn't time to google it even though I recalled reading somewhere that the advice had been overturned.

Anyway, I use lots of herbs and spices in cooking so it always tastes "tasty" and we don't eat processed food except once in a blue moon (like New Year's Eve when I got an M&S moussaka for supper as I knew we weren't arriving home from a 3 hour drive and a day's shopping until gone 7pm & the larder was bare as we'd been away a week).  We do eat tons of cheese though, and the butter with salt crystals in it.  Also if I have cramp I often take a teaspoon of table salt to stop it and I think it tastes vile!

I have one friend who has driven me mad over the years when she piles tons of salt on the food I serve before she's even tasted it!  However she now does have heart problems and thinking about it I don't recall seeing her do the salt thing recently.

I have never even given a thought to a low salt alternative.
I'm glad patti has posted this.

in my original post/topic i suggested that high levels of salt are assumed to be harmful -- i did not suggest the use of lo-salt products at all -- i instead suggested using pepper and herbs as an alternative and asked other peoples experiences.  it was ziggy suggesting a holland & barratt product that had lower salt that i said i would investigate.


this topic has gone off course from its original intent -- IE do people use pepper and herbs as an alternative to salt
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Re: substitutes for salt
« Reply #10 on: 08 January 2015, 08:16:53 PM »
I think Ziggy was saying that the substance he uses does depend on herbs and pepper.  Anyhoo... I agree, we love freshly ground black pepper.

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« Reply #11 on: 08 January 2015, 08:22:44 PM »
molto bene signorina
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Re: substitutes for salt
« Reply #12 on: 08 January 2015, 08:42:14 PM »
I do use pepper, herbs and spices. Made a chilli tonight and used chilli powder, oregano, ground cumin, paprika, pepper etc. Use thyme and lemons when I'm cooking chicken, dill with fish, cinnamon with fruit, sage with pork and apples...all the very traditional pairings really.
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Re: substitutes for salt
« Reply #13 on: 08 January 2015, 10:51:28 PM »
Does the fact that I don't really like the taste of salty things have a bearing on this?

Although I think completely unsalted butter is disgusting - even if I was cooking something sweet I wouldn't use unsalted - if I was planning on doing that when I shopped I would choose one packet of slightly salted against however many packs of normal salted butter I happened to be buying at the time.  I wouldn't even want unsalted on a jam sandwich!
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Re: substitutes for salt
« Reply #14 on: 11 January 2015, 07:08:47 PM »
I do use pepper, herbs and spices. Made a chilli tonight and used chilli powder, oregano, ground cumin, paprika, pepper etc. Use thyme and lemons when I'm cooking chicken, dill with fish, cinnamon with fruit, sage with pork and apples...all the very traditional pairings really.

i find that using these pairings really does work well and is a great alternative to salt
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