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Offline KarateMadMum

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Weight Loss
« on: 15 April 2015, 09:19:49 PM »
Ok so I am fat and want to not be fat!

But I am struggling! I exercise regularly but apparently because I have been doing the karate so long it doesn't count, I am trying to watch what I eat but I am getting so confuzzled with I should/shouldnt eat for my blood sugars and weight loss....

Lost... help please!

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Novarapid 14,16,18 Lantus 33
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Offline nytquill17

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Re: Weight Loss
« Reply #1 on: 15 April 2015, 09:42:28 PM »
I'm guessing you mean the low-carb vs. low-fat conflict?

You don't have to take my word for it, and in fact I wouldn't want you to, but...well... low-fat is bunk  :P

Plenty of people lose weight by cutting carbs. Particularly people who are prone to glucose regulation issues (i.e. diabetes) and insulin resistance. Dietary fat is *good* for you, believe it or not! Just not in the presence of 200-300+ grams of carb per day which is what most people are told to eat to be "healthy."

Check this out: http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/info/?p=225 and this for good measure: http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/info/?p=231

I swear I'm not a conspiracy theorist! :) Scientific research, being a human activity, is nowhere near as objective as we are often led to think it is. Among other things, it has trends (research subjects that are popular or unpopular at different points in time). Right now and for the past 30 or so years the "research darling" has been heart disease and obesity (the research started long before that, but it's really been in vogue since the 80s or so). We've got to where, in diabetes care, the medical community would prefer to treat us for the heart disease we *might* get rather than the disease we *actually* have (pet peeve of mine hehe). And the kicker is that it's the fact of NOT controlling, i.e. not treating, that actual disease that increases our risk for heart problems in the first place!

Glucose in the blood causes inflammation to the artery walls, inflammation leads to plaque (which is supposed to cover the wound and help it heal). But because of all the excess glucose the body has had to process, the cholesterol that it has on hand to make the plaque with has been a rush job, so it's poor quality and "sticky", so the plaques get bigger than they should. Which means, heart disease. So the very best thing you can do for your health, if you ask me, is to lower your BGs. Period.

But I realize it can be quite the mind-warp when you've been thinking the other way round for your whole life! It feels instinctively wrong, I mean we feel like, looking or thinking about fat, that it's inherently unhealthy, but the truth is that fat is just fat and how we feel about it and envision it is actually a cultural idea that we've absorbed. And whatever is learned can be unlearned! :)

(Sorry, this is the quick-and-dirty version of the reply, let me know if I didn't express something well!)
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"If you can't ride, can you fall?"
"I suppose anyone can fall," said Shasta.
"I mean can you fall and get up again without crying, and mount again and fall again and yet not be afraid of falling?"
"I - I'll try," said Shasta.
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Offline KarateMadMum

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Re: Weight Loss
« Reply #2 on: 15 April 2015, 10:13:07 PM »
Wow! Just scan read those links (bookmarked for when I am not so tired and can read properly) and looks like I am changing my diet big time, obviously in baby steps.... Goes against everything I thought I knew lol
I have been sent a link to a 5/15/80 diet... Ketogenic diet... I really cant get my head round it... 5% carbs, 15% Protein and 80% fat per meal or something like that!
I am 19+ Stone and 5'7 :( ... forever getting nagged by the dr and nurses to slim down
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Novarapid 14,16,18 Lantus 33
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Re: Weight Loss
« Reply #3 on: 15 April 2015, 10:14:10 PM »
P.S... Slimming world didnt work for me... but am thinking about weight watchers... opinions please?
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Novarapid 14,16,18 Lantus 33
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Re: Weight Loss
« Reply #4 on: 15 April 2015, 10:53:12 PM »
Ok so I am fat and want to not be fat!

But I am struggling! I exercise regularly but apparently because I have been doing the karate so long it doesn't count, I am trying to watch what I eat but I am getting so confuzzled with I should/shouldnt eat for my blood sugars and weight loss....

Lost... help please!

I have probably asked you to read this already, but just in case I haven't (click on it): Getting Started.

Among the various links included in that read these two twice:
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
There is nothing I could eat I like more than my eyes.
Type 2 Diabetes - A Personal Journey (latest: Small New York Baked Low Carb Cheesecake)
Born Under a Wandering Star (Latest:Dambulla, Sigiriya and Polonuwarra, Sri Lanka)

Offline Pattidevans

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Re: Weight Loss
« Reply #5 on: 15 April 2015, 10:59:16 PM »
I attended WW before I was diabetic and it was OK, I slowly lost about a stone.  I went back after I'd gained weight after being on insulin for a few years (long story, not going into it here, but down to bad diet advice from an NHS dietitian).  I found WW incredibly difficult to follow on insulin.  The leader, lovely though she was, had no idea about how to manage diet whilst on insulin.  So I just did my own thing and got weighed every week.  I lost some weight, but the time I lost most was just following low carb on my own.

Warning, don't try to do low carb low fat.. on the other hand if you low carb and include some good fats you will lose weight, just be aware that at some point you may have to adjust as your body adjusts. 
Patti


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Offline nytquill17

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Re: Weight Loss
« Reply #6 on: 15 April 2015, 10:59:31 PM »
I've never done WW but I thought about it at one point. Trouble is that they tend to go by the "calorie is a calorie is a calorie" motto (understandably since that's what all the official health advice says!) which means that even though they don't necessarily prescribe a certain amount of carbs or fat since they go by points, their points plan is based on calories which means fats are "penalized" in favor of carbs.

On the other hand, everyone's different, so there's no reason not to give it a try if you want! Some people do find that they have to control calories as well as carbs to lose weight. Others find that just cutting carbs leads them to shed a few pounds, though they might need to kick it up a bit for the famous "last ten pounds."
T1 DX 1995
Levemir + Novorapid
 
  ~-~-~-~
"If you can't ride, can you fall?"
"I suppose anyone can fall," said Shasta.
"I mean can you fall and get up again without crying, and mount again and fall again and yet not be afraid of falling?"
"I - I'll try," said Shasta.
  ~C.S. Lewis, The Horse and His Boy
  ~-~-~-~
"There is no answer; seek it lovingly."

Offline Pattidevans

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Re: Weight Loss
« Reply #7 on: 15 April 2015, 11:03:04 PM »
PS I did write a couple of blogs about how I got on with WW and why it didn't work.  Unfortunately they were lost when the forum was hacked a few years ago.  I will try to find em on my old PC if indeed I ever kept them.
Patti


Type 1.  Mis-diagnosed T2 May 2003, finally had CPeptide test 15/7/11 and proper diagnosis 1/9/11.  Now pumping Apidra with Roche Spirit Combo pump. Hba1c 6.1 April 2016.


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Re: Weight Loss
« Reply #8 on: 15 April 2015, 11:19:54 PM »
I just wanted to add that many of the drugs you are on but Quetiapine for sure cause insulin resistance (I know from being on it myself) and to get good results you need to use a lot of insulin (at least my dose is fairly high compared to other diabetics) Your fixed amounts of insulin don't seem very high but remember insulin is a fat storage hormone and you just can't burn body fat well while a lot is swimming about your body.

Lowering carbs can help you use less insulin but I would be a little careful about that if you aren't comfortable changing your Novorapid to match the amount of carbs you are eating. A good base line is 1 unit covers 10gs of carbs. I forgot if we have chatted with you about testing you are on the right amount of Lantus? I'm sure we will have but that is the first always the first step to getting doses right.
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HbA1c 3/10 10.2%, 7/10 8.1%, 12/10 7.5%.
2/11 7.8%, 8/11 8.6% 9/11 8.3%.
3/12 62 (7.8%). 10/12 67 (8.3%)
4/13 63 (7.9%) 6/13 59 (7.5%)
1/14 71 (8.6%) 7/14 59 (7.5%) 11/14 (6.7%)
3/15 56 (7.3%) 12/15 49 (6.6%)
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Re: Weight Loss
« Reply #9 on: 16 April 2015, 08:23:03 AM »
I just wanted to add that many of the drugs you are on but Quetiapine for sure cause insulin resistance (I know from being on it myself) and to get good results you need to use a lot of insulin (at least my dose is fairly high compared to other diabetics) Your fixed amounts of insulin don't seem very high but remember insulin is a fat storage hormone and you just can't burn body fat well while a lot is swimming about your body.

Lowering carbs can help you use less insulin but I would be a little careful about that if you aren't comfortable changing your Novorapid to match the amount of carbs you are eating. A good base line is 1 unit covers 10gs of carbs. I forgot if we have chatted with you about testing you are on the right amount of Lantus? I'm sure we will have but that is the first always the first step to getting doses right.
I can't remember either if we have commented on basal testing but if we have -- apologies -- if not here is a link on doing basal testing.
this is the first step in getting TDD ( total daily dose ) levels sorted for doing a low carb diet or any type of eating plan.



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Re: Weight Loss
« Reply #10 on: 16 April 2015, 12:14:55 PM »
The other thing you could do - is try some different exercise.  I don't mean instead of karate, as I presume you wouldn't be in favour of that! - I mean as well as.  Walking, or that one I can't remember the name of that Avocado does, involving weight lifting but not necessarily huge weights - anaerobic is it?  Or cycling or skipping or something - just something different.
Jenny

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HbA1c - 7/07 8.7, 1/08 7.8, 9/08 8.4, 3/09 7.3, 7/09 7.2, 12/09 7.3, 11/10 8.1, 2/11 8.6, 9/11 6.5 2/12 6.4  5/12 50/6.7  11/12 52/6.9  01/13 46/6.4  06/16 46/6.4  12/16 45/6.4

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Re: Weight Loss
« Reply #11 on: 16 April 2015, 02:55:29 PM »
In KMM's original thread we mentioned basal testing several times and gave the link, but it doesn't hurt to reiterate advice cos there's so much info being offered at any time that it's easy to overlook one bit.
Patti


Type 1.  Mis-diagnosed T2 May 2003, finally had CPeptide test 15/7/11 and proper diagnosis 1/9/11.  Now pumping Apidra with Roche Spirit Combo pump. Hba1c 6.1 April 2016.


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Re: Weight Loss
« Reply #12 on: 16 April 2015, 03:49:29 PM »
I was pretty sure we had Patti, I'd be shocked if we hadn't as we all know that is the base off all other adjustments when using insulin.
DX Type I 1994.    Novorapid Animas Vibe pump
HbA1c 3/10 10.2%, 7/10 8.1%, 12/10 7.5%.
2/11 7.8%, 8/11 8.6% 9/11 8.3%.
3/12 62 (7.8%). 10/12 67 (8.3%)
4/13 63 (7.9%) 6/13 59 (7.5%)
1/14 71 (8.6%) 7/14 59 (7.5%) 11/14 (6.7%)
3/15 56 (7.3%) 12/15 49 (6.6%)
Ramipril: 10mg Quetiapine: 550mg Metformin: 2000mg

Offline nytquill17

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Re: Weight Loss
« Reply #13 on: 16 April 2015, 08:13:08 PM »
HIIT, Sedge? (but I think that's for aerobic exercise)
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Levemir + Novorapid
 
  ~-~-~-~
"If you can't ride, can you fall?"
"I suppose anyone can fall," said Shasta.
"I mean can you fall and get up again without crying, and mount again and fall again and yet not be afraid of falling?"
"I - I'll try," said Shasta.
  ~C.S. Lewis, The Horse and His Boy
  ~-~-~-~
"There is no answer; seek it lovingly."

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Re: Weight Loss
« Reply #14 on: 16 April 2015, 08:16:33 PM »
Yes, that was it ! - High Intensity Interval Training.  But you are lying down and just lifting what you can manage, not doing the 'snatch and jerk' and looking like Precious McKenzie !
Jenny

T1 DX 1972, pumping Novorapid 24/05/11

HbA1c - 7/07 8.7, 1/08 7.8, 9/08 8.4, 3/09 7.3, 7/09 7.2, 12/09 7.3, 11/10 8.1, 2/11 8.6, 9/11 6.5 2/12 6.4  5/12 50/6.7  11/12 52/6.9  01/13 46/6.4  06/16 46/6.4  12/16 45/6.4