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Offline Dr DeEath

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Raspberry Ketones
« on: 27 May 2017, 05:43:12 PM »
My partner got some spam emails about these and has been to a health food shop and brought bottle of them. She needs to lose rather more weight than me and two weeks in has not lost an ounce. I have a small handful of raspberries with my cereal every morning but she will not consider this as she detests most fruit. To me the "fat burning" science sounds like quackery. My view is that to lose weight calories out must exceed those in. Has anyone​ experience of raspberry ketones?
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Re: Raspberry Ketones
« Reply #1 on: 27 May 2017, 06:06:59 PM »
If I remember right they are non-sense. To be fair anything but a calorie deceit is. I really is as simple as fewer cals going in than are being used. How you do that is where it might get more involved. There is no magic pill (this isn't quite true, something that ups heart rate will make you burn more cals) or food. 
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Re: Raspberry Ketones
« Reply #2 on: 27 May 2017, 07:34:54 PM »
I tried them and didn't find them helpful... they tempt us with their promises though.  She may just have to try it for herself until she's satisfied.
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Re: Raspberry Ketones
« Reply #3 on: 27 May 2017, 07:59:06 PM »
Personally I have never found that anything you put in your mouth and swallow helps you to lose weight... however what you do not put in your mouth and swallow does really help with weight loss.

This from a person who, years and years ago, as a silly young woman went (along with a lot of friends and colleagues) to a charlatan in Harley Street who injected us in the thighs with goodness knows what, and encouraged us to eat tinned grapefruit for breakfast, lunch and dinner!  I doubt I was more than 8st 7 at the time!
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Re: Raspberry Ketones
« Reply #4 on: 31 May 2017, 01:40:23 PM »
Sadly this is her latest fad which like previous ones will achieve little or nothing. I tried to get her to watch "Doctor In The House" but was told I was interfering!
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Re: Raspberry Ketones
« Reply #5 on: 31 May 2017, 01:53:44 PM »
I think it's another case of pseudo-science based on a theory.

There have not been any studies done on humans, only on rats on massively high doses -

https://authoritynutrition.com/do-raspberry-ketones-work/

Stick to low carbing !
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Re: Raspberry Ketones
« Reply #6 on: 31 May 2017, 08:02:35 PM »
I agree!
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Re: Raspberry Ketones
« Reply #7 on: 07 June 2017, 02:13:41 AM »
My partner got some spam emails about these and has been to a health food shop and brought bottle of them. She needs to lose rather more weight than me and two weeks in has not lost an ounce. I have a small handful of raspberries with my cereal every morning

I'm envious. My meter convinced me an hour after breakfast that breakfast cereal is a food I cannot ever eat again.

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but she will not consider this as she detests most fruit. To me the "fat burning" science sounds like quackery. My view is that to lose weight calories out must exceed those in. Has anyone​ experience of raspberry ketones?

I agree that it is quackery but weight loss is not just calories in/calories out. The type of food (carbs/fat/protein) is more important than the calories. Cutting carbs, resulting in reduced excess blood glucose and consequent reduced excess insulin had a more significant effect achieving and maintaining my own weight loss.
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Re: Raspberry Ketones
« Reply #8 on: 07 June 2017, 03:50:39 PM »

 I have a small handful of raspberries with my cereal every morning

I'm envious. My meter convinced me an hour after breakfast that breakfast cereal is a food I cannot ever eat again.


Well - Dr D is Type 1 - and it's a certain fact that one heck of a lot of us can tolerate carbs far less problematically that T2s in general.  However - exactly the same as every single other diabetic - we do still have to find the limit that our own specific body will tolerate. 
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Re: Raspberry Ketones
« Reply #9 on: 07 June 2017, 09:31:27 PM »

 I have a small handful of raspberries with my cereal every morning

I'm envious. My meter convinced me an hour after breakfast that breakfast cereal is a food I cannot ever eat again.


Well - Dr D is Type 1 - and it's a certain fact that one heck of a lot of us can tolerate carbs far less problematically that T2s in general.  However - exactly the same as every single other diabetic - we do still have to find the limit that our own specific body will tolerate.

It is actually one Shredded Wheat or a Weetabix. Cereals like Cornflakes do cause a blip!
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Re: Raspberry Ketones
« Reply #10 on: 08 June 2017, 02:21:32 AM »

 I have a small handful of raspberries with my cereal every morning

I'm envious. My meter convinced me an hour after breakfast that breakfast cereal is a food I cannot ever eat again.


Well - Dr D is Type 1 - and it's a certain fact that one heck of a lot of us can tolerate carbs far less problematically that T2s in general.  However - exactly the same as every single other diabetic - we do still have to find the limit that our own specific body will tolerate.

Apologies Dr D. Should have re-checked. The memory is not what it used to be. That's my excuse anyway...
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Re: Raspberry Ketones
« Reply #11 on: 08 June 2017, 05:13:08 AM »
Good to see Dr D has added a sig.  Was it there yesterday?  I know I can't remember what everyone's type is all the time  ;D
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Offline Dr DeEath

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Re: Raspberry Ketones
« Reply #12 on: 08 June 2017, 10:32:51 AM »
Good to see Dr D has added a sig.  Was it there yesterday?  I know I can't remember what everyone's type is all the time  ;D

It has actually been there for a couple of months after I confused a few people...
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Re: Raspberry Ketones
« Reply #13 on: 08 June 2017, 11:00:45 AM »
.... and your tolerance for cereal is exactly the same as mine Dr D - one Weetabix or as one of our members described it at one time, 'an elf's portion' of anything else!
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