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Offline TerryJ

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Salt intake and death rates
« on: 11 June 2017, 08:04:49 AM »
Is this another case of standard health advice being completely wrong ?

http://vernerwheelock.com/260-more-doubts-about-the-advice-to-reduce-sodium-salt/

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Offline Pattidevans

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Re: Salt intake and death rates
« Reply #1 on: 11 June 2017, 08:20:49 AM »
Well well, government advice has been killing us!  Most interesting Terry. 
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Re: Salt intake and death rates
« Reply #2 on: 11 June 2017, 12:08:09 PM »
Hee hee - so glad we've totally ignored it all these years.  We always said we didn't over-eat it in the first place!
Jenny

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HbA1c - 7/07 8.7, 1/08 7.8, 9/08 8.4, 3/09 7.3, 7/09 7.2, 12/09 7.3, 11/10 8.1, 2/11 8.6, 9/11 6.5 2/12 6.4  5/12 50/6.7  11/12 52/6.9  01/13 46/6.4  06/16 46/6.4  12/16 45/6.4

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Re: Salt intake and death rates
« Reply #3 on: 11 June 2017, 05:54:40 PM »
I've never really tried to control salt in take anyway. I use what I think makes food taste nice. I likely use a bit more than average when cooking. I'd not really thought about it until I was feeding a friend who commented that he is used to having to add more salt and pepper to food but that I had enough in that he didn't need extra.
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HbA1c 3/10 10.2%, 7/10 8.1%, 12/10 7.5%.
2/11 7.8%, 8/11 8.6% 9/11 8.3%.
3/12 62 (7.8%). 10/12 67 (8.3%)
4/13 63 (7.9%) 6/13 59 (7.5%)
1/14 71 (8.6%) 7/14 59 (7.5%) 11/14 (6.7%)
3/15 56 (7.3%) 12/15 49 (6.6%)
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Re: Salt intake and death rates
« Reply #4 on: 11 June 2017, 11:51:09 PM »
I'm not a great fan of salt - but cook with enough to enhance the flavour.  The only thing that didn't have salt in or on it on my plate for dinner today was the cheese sauce all over the cauli cheese, though the cauli was precooked plus salt.  The cheddar is salty enough, and it always has plenty of white pepper and English mustard in the sauce.

I did not however salt the strawberries and ice-cream we had for dessert!
Jenny

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HbA1c - 7/07 8.7, 1/08 7.8, 9/08 8.4, 3/09 7.3, 7/09 7.2, 12/09 7.3, 11/10 8.1, 2/11 8.6, 9/11 6.5 2/12 6.4  5/12 50/6.7  11/12 52/6.9  01/13 46/6.4  06/16 46/6.4  12/16 45/6.4

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Re: Salt intake and death rates
« Reply #5 on: 12 June 2017, 07:48:40 AM »
Try black pepper on strawberries, it really enhances their flavour.
Patti


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Re: Salt intake and death rates
« Reply #6 on: 12 June 2017, 12:56:31 PM »
I have and didn't think it did TBH LOL
Jenny

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HbA1c - 7/07 8.7, 1/08 7.8, 9/08 8.4, 3/09 7.3, 7/09 7.2, 12/09 7.3, 11/10 8.1, 2/11 8.6, 9/11 6.5 2/12 6.4  5/12 50/6.7  11/12 52/6.9  01/13 46/6.4  06/16 46/6.4  12/16 45/6.4

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Re: Salt intake and death rates
« Reply #7 on: 12 June 2017, 06:19:05 PM »
each to their own!

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Re: Salt intake and death rates
« Reply #8 on: 15 June 2017, 03:07:17 AM »
Is this another case of standard health advice being completely wrong ?

http://vernerwheelock.com/260-more-doubts-about-the-advice-to-reduce-sodium-salt/

I stopped cutting salt years ago when I realised my dramatic reduction in salt intake when I changed my diet after diagnosis led to terrible night cramps. I had stopped buying processed food and avoided it religiously in my cooking. Almost zero intake.

I returned to using it in moderation in all my cooking and meals since.
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Offline Pattidevans

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Re: Salt intake and death rates
« Reply #9 on: 15 June 2017, 05:45:57 AM »
I think I had better get used to the taste of it again as I too have awful cramp every night.
Patti


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Offline TerryJ

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Re: Salt intake and death rates
« Reply #10 on: 27 June 2017, 03:50:36 PM »
Another article re. salt intakes -

http://vernerwheelock.com/267-the-salt-fix/


You can read Dr DiNicolantonio's credentials here -

http://thesaltfix.com/ 
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Re: Salt intake and death rates
« Reply #11 on: 28 June 2017, 11:17:23 AM »
Blimey - this is worse than the Ansel Keys cock-up!

I don't restrict my salt intake but have more than once been shown to have 'low' serum sodium levels.  Not mega low, just a BIT low.  The medical profession as a whole (ie Diabetes consultant and GP) wanted me to stop taking Losartan for my BP and instantly swapped me to other drugs - all of which caused instant (within a few days) caused my feet and ankles to swell horrifically.  The normal remedy for this is to start a diuretic - but these are totally contra-indicated - for the simple reason that I have low sodium!!  I was pleased about that, frankly.  I hate the thought of having to take extra chemicals to counteract the others, unless I rely on whatever's causing whatever to stay alive.  (eg you know, if I needed chemo for cancer or something else along those lines)  Makes me feel like I want to stop taking everything - other than just insulin which I do actually need to stay alive in the first place, so I'll never stop actually WANTING DESPERATELY to continue using it LOL

I dunno what to do, or think.
Jenny

T1 DX 1972, pumping Novorapid 24/05/11

HbA1c - 7/07 8.7, 1/08 7.8, 9/08 8.4, 3/09 7.3, 7/09 7.2, 12/09 7.3, 11/10 8.1, 2/11 8.6, 9/11 6.5 2/12 6.4  5/12 50/6.7  11/12 52/6.9  01/13 46/6.4  06/16 46/6.4  12/16 45/6.4

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Re: Salt intake and death rates
« Reply #12 on: 28 June 2017, 07:01:54 PM »
Blimey - this is worse than the Ansel Keys cock-up!

I don't restrict my salt intake but have more than once been shown to have 'low' serum sodium levels.  Not mega low, just a BIT low.  The medical profession as a whole (ie Diabetes consultant and GP) wanted me to stop taking Losartan for my BP and instantly swapped me to other drugs - all of which caused instant (within a few days) caused my feet and ankles to swell horrifically.  The normal remedy for this is to start a diuretic - but these are totally contra-indicated - for the simple reason that I have low sodium!!  I was pleased about that, frankly.  I hate the thought of having to take extra chemicals to counteract the others, unless I rely on whatever's causing whatever to stay alive.  (eg you know, if I needed chemo for cancer or something else along those lines)  Makes me feel like I want to stop taking everything - other than just insulin which I do actually need to stay alive in the first place, so I'll never stop actually WANTING DESPERATELY to continue using it LOL

I dunno what to do, or think.

I sympathise. I feel just like this too!
T2 and PCOS. Just had large serous adenofibroma removed with ovary and fallopian tube. Bp is now normal!

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Re: Salt intake and death rates
« Reply #13 on: 28 June 2017, 08:21:20 PM »
OMG... as Sedge says... Ancel Keys all over!
Patti


Type 1.  Mis-diagnosed T2 May 2003, finally had CPeptide test 15/7/11 and proper diagnosis 1/9/11.  Now pumping Apidra with Roche Spirit Combo pump. Hba1c 6.1 April 2016.


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