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Offline Mayfly

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Weight loss and calories: fat vs. carbs
« on: 21 March 2012, 12:43:33 PM »
Ah curious.....I'm having lots of issues with eating right and my weight etc. - I thought you could eat LOTS of fat and still lose weight, since it was the carbs which cause problems with gaining weight.  And the amount you eat in terms of...like, more than 3 oz of meat, if you see what I mean.

Sorry, don't mean to hijack the thread - it's just that I have lost weight again, even though I still eat double cream and peanut butter mixed together every night.  The calorie content is enormous, but my trousers now won't stay up, and they're ones I wore last week. 

Maybe this should be for a new topic? 

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Interesting and important - I'm still confused about it.
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The best and most succint explanation I have seen is here from the member blogs on our website.
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The best and most succint explanation I have seen is here from the member blogs on our website.

That blog seems to imply that fat or protien doesnt make you fat, but if that is so why have I stopped my weight loss even though I am eating low carb? I have however been giving meat, and fat a real run for their money. On the other hand I was losing weight on the same diet until recently.This has been the story for years, i can lose a couple of stone quite easily but then it stops, then creeps upward again, this time i thought it might carry on, but it seems not to be.

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Re: Weight loss and calories: fat vs. carbs
« Reply #4 on: 21 March 2012, 05:34:13 PM »
Well there ARE still calories (energy for your body to either use or store) in protein and fat.  They're just harder for the body to get at.  But if you eat more energy than you need, it will still be a problem for weight loss, wherever that energy is coming from. The point of that article is that it is more complex than just "calories in, calories out" or "a calorie is a calorie no matter where it comes from."  The body does not treat all food energy equally.

In other words most people can get away with eating a lot more calories from fat and protein than they can from carbs.  And yet, because low-calorie diets tend to push you to avoid fats and proteins that, on paper, appear to promote weight gain, they drive you towards carbs.  When in fact you will gain more weight from the equivalent amount of calories in carbs than you would from the same amount in protein or fat, because of how your body accesses that energy.

That doesn't mean that you can eat unlimited fats and proteins and never gain weight.  It is always possible to eat more than your body needs, and that leads to weight gain.  And people who are stuck at a weight loss plateau or who have only a little bit left to lose may find that they need to fine-tune not only their carb intake but their fat intake as well.

Plateaus in weight loss, like what you are encountering Bill, is a common phenomenon.  The body likes to be at a certain weight and after a certain point of weight loss, will pull out all the stops (including the brain using everything in its arsenal to convince you to eat more - cravings, hunger, the works) to try and keep you from going any further.  Most people find they have to do a bit of tweaking: increase or change up the exercise, fine tune the diet a bit.  Anything to sort of shake things up and keep the body off balance so it can't dig in and get comfortable where you are.
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6/11 8.1     12/11 7.3
  ~-~-~-~
"If you can't ride, can you fall?"
"I suppose anyone can fall," said Shasta.
"I mean can you fall and get up again without crying, and mount again and fall again and yet not be afraid of falling?"
"I - I'll try," said Shasta.
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Offline Mayfly

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Re: Weight loss and calories: fat vs. carbs
« Reply #5 on: 21 March 2012, 06:25:28 PM »
Ah, OK, I think I will carry on as normal until I stop losing weight, or until I've lost enough to be 'normal', and then I can just adjust slightly.  I think I haven't ironed out the kinks of how much I'm eating, and I am doing a fair bit of effective exercise now.  Perhaps I am needing more calories than I realise. 

I think the concept of low carbing is adventageous not just for the weight loss, although I would get a bit frustrated if I started gaining weight.  And of course, at lease the high fat diet diet does stop a lot of the hunger! 

Thanks for moving the thread, and the answers. 

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Re: Weight loss and calories: fat vs. carbs
« Reply #6 on: 25 March 2012, 12:17:33 AM »
I eat mainly proteins and fats but I don't overdo the quantities. I never count calories. It is the proportion of my meals that I keep an eye on. I have lost weight and am now stable. I would say don't eat an excess of anything, keep it varied and highly nutritious. If you are not completely satisfied, then fill up on salads and veg.

Usually I do find that reasonable amounts of protein and fats are highly satisying. For instance it is hard to eat too many eggs, salmon fillets or steaks - I find that anyway. In contrast I used to eat huge amounts of carb foods like pasta and bread without feeling properly satisfied.
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Offline Mayfly

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Re: Weight loss and calories: fat vs. carbs
« Reply #7 on: 28 March 2012, 12:39:41 PM »
There's a new book out called "Why Calories count" which set off alarm bells as it was written by someone from the Nestle family!  I thought, "Hmmm, they're very good at advertising that their cereals contain less sugar than a blue berry muffin - so I should hope - but never mention the carb content".  But anwyay, a brief skim would seem to indicate that they are all for cutting down on calories.  Seems that new studies are still coming up with the same results............  :(

I would love to suggest to "Supersize vs Superskinny" that it's not calories that matter.  The skinny people are not eating enough, period. 

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Re: Weight loss and calories: fat vs. carbs
« Reply #8 on: 30 March 2012, 11:26:11 AM »

Plateaus in weight loss, like what you are encountering Bill, is a common phenomenon.  The body likes to be at a certain weight and after a certain point of weight loss, will pull out all the stops (including the brain using everything in its arsenal to convince you to eat more - cravings, hunger, the works) to try and keep you from going any further.  Most people find they have to do a bit of tweaking: increase or change up the exercise, fine tune the diet a bit.  Anything to sort of shake things up and keep the body off balance so it can't dig in and get comfortable where you are.

Sound advice again. I am now eating my food dressed as a Trappist Monk, if that doesnt shock my brain somewhat I dont know what will.
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Re: Weight loss and calories: fat vs. carbs
« Reply #9 on: 30 March 2012, 06:48:45 PM »
The significance of that mode of dress escapes me.  Thought they were the vow of silence ones?  (rather than wear barbed wire underpants, or whatever)
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Re: Weight loss and calories: fat vs. carbs
« Reply #10 on: 30 March 2012, 07:17:14 PM »
I know they brew some very nice beer!
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Re: Weight loss and calories: fat vs. carbs
« Reply #11 on: 31 March 2012, 01:01:31 AM »
And make lovely chocolate!
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A1C:
6/11 8.1     12/11 7.3
  ~-~-~-~
"If you can't ride, can you fall?"
"I suppose anyone can fall," said Shasta.
"I mean can you fall and get up again without crying, and mount again and fall again and yet not be afraid of falling?"
"I - I'll try," said Shasta.
  ~C.S. Lewis, The Horse and His Boy
  ~-~-~-~
"There is no answer; seek it lovingly."