The Clop defo makes a difference Alan. Finger bodging - quick suck, and fine, is no longer 99.9% successful. Nearer 90% probably and I now have to take care to make sure I'm not still bleeding since now, I do continue quite often whereas prior to it this was an extreme rarity. I spose I could try turning the depth down a bit! Saw the vampire on Weds though - and that stopped quite quickly to my surprise.