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Offline Paulines7

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Bay Leaves Trial for Type 2 Diabetics
« on: 28 November 2017, 10:54:38 AM »
A friend of mine sent me the link below which I found very interesting.  However, there were only 40 people taking part in this study but there may well be further research done given the results found. 

My friend was wondering if his Bay tree could be utilised for the ground up version or if he would have to buy it prepared, from a shop.  I don't think there is enough information for him to test this out especially as my friend has numerous health issues as well as his diabetes.

Your comments would be appreciated.

Here is the link:
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Offline Pattidevans

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Re: Bay Leaves Trial for Type 2 Diabetics
« Reply #1 on: 28 November 2017, 03:08:28 PM »
Really couldn't say Pauline.  I spose bay leaves are edible since one cooks with them, but you usually take them out before serving.  I don't think any of us are qualified to help with this one.  He could try an alternative natural medic - ah... homeopath?  There are several in our town, but of course there are loads of "alternative" sort of people down here - not being rude, just mean those people who tend to prefer that type of medicine.

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Offline nytquill17

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Re: Bay Leaves Trial for Type 2 Diabetics
« Reply #2 on: 28 November 2017, 03:26:19 PM »
Yes, they don't describe the details of how the bay leaves were prepared, i.e. did they just dry and powder some leaves and pop the powder in capsules, or were there other processes involved? It does sound like the first option, especially since they mention that they have yet to identify what substances in bay leaves are actually having the effects (implies that they are using whole leaves and not doing any kind of pharmacological processes on them) - but there isn't much to go on about the process they used.

A quick look around suggests that bay leaves aren't poisonous or toxic so there shouldn't be any harm in your friend consuming them if he wanted to. Main dangers are eating the leaves whole as they are tough and may cut or damage the mouth or esophagus, and also the bitter taste! And of course not confusing them with mountain laurel leaves, which are related and similar-looking but actually ARE toxic.

Of course if your friend has multiple health conditions and takes medication there's no knowing what the potential interactions might be, so it's worth being wary. And as you say, it is a small study (I am particularly concerned by the fact that the 2g group got some odd results compared to the other groups - suggests that the group size is too small to properly ascertain actual effects vs. random variation), and seems almost too good to be true - and you know what they say about that!

But my feeling is basically, provided he is cautious and sensible and aware that his health situation is more complex than that of the people in the study, there probably isn't much harm in trying. Bearing in mind that I'm not a doctor nor a biochemist and have no standing at all to make any sort of recommendation! :)
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Re: Bay Leaves Trial for Type 2 Diabetics
« Reply #3 on: 28 November 2017, 08:21:25 PM »
I'm a bit dubious. Have a look at Table 1. These type 2s are out of control before and after despite the slight improvements. Improvement from bloody terrible to still bloody terrible is not going to get me to grind up some bay leaves.

Almost any change in their way of eating had to be an improvement. It is likely the observer effect occurred, with the subjects being more careful of their way of eating while under observation than prior. I admit the placebo changed very little, which adds to the confusion.

Note that the table did not transcribe correctly, rows 2 and 3 should be one place to the right. Here for the original:

Table 1Bay leaves decrease serum glucose in subjects with type 2 diabetes
Doses of bay leaves and placebo (g/day)
Fasting serum glucose (mmol/L)

Before intake of bay leaves

During intake of bay leaves

After intake of bay leaves

Day 0
Day 10
Day 20
Day 30
Day 40
Bay Leaves 1
12.0 ± 3.6a
9.0 ± 2.4c
10.4 ± 3.5b
8.9 ± 2.6c
10.2 ± 2.7b
Bay Leaves 2
11.3 ± 3.5a
11.0 ± 3.2a
10.2 ± 3.4a
8.8 ± 2.3b
10.5 ± 3.8a
Bay Leaves 3
16.9 ± 4.2a
13.3 ± 3.9b
14.0 ± 2.7b
13.4 ± 2.7b
14.0 ± 3.1b
Placebo 1
9.7 ± 4.1a
10.3 ± 5.2a
9.3 ± 3.8a
9.3 ± 3.9a
9.4 ± 3.7a
Values are means ± SD for 10 subjects per treatment.
Means in the same row, with different superscripts, are significantly different at p<0.05. Clarification of the different means is further illustrated in bottom of Table 2.
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Re: Bay Leaves Trial for Type 2 Diabetics
« Reply #4 on: 28 November 2017, 09:06:24 PM »
You used to be able to buy powdered bay leaves, no idea why it disappeared - my Bolognese sauce recipe called for them and made a difference to the taste.  Mk 1 and I got through two jars of it until I could no longer find it anywhere.  Got some 'minced' bay in a French supermarket - but it doesn't impart the same effect.

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