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Offline Moby

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diabetes , the fast fix
« on: 13 June 2018, 10:07:53 PM »
On now, catch up tv ITV+1.


Im watching it now.


Not holding my breath , but will see.....
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Re: diabetes , the fast fix
« Reply #1 on: 14 June 2018, 08:20:09 AM »
Ooh..  no TV at present, can you update us on what they said please Moby.
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Re: diabetes , the fast fix
« Reply #2 on: 14 June 2018, 11:15:08 AM »
I'm surprised the participants stuck it!
I'm not good with computers, but try
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5839803/ITVs-Fast-Fix-Diabetes-attempts-cure-diabetes-just-four-weeks.html

If yu scroll down there's a video you can watch.  The sequal is on again tonight.

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Re: diabetes , the fast fix
« Reply #3 on: 14 June 2018, 07:01:42 PM »
Hated it.  No way anyone could remain on that.  Mortiary and the body? Flipping disgusting.  Give us some proper advice not this awful scare fest.  Teminds me of the Desmond course.

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Re: diabetes , the fast fix
« Reply #4 on: 14 June 2018, 07:55:40 PM »
I'm still going to watch the sequel (spelling) tonight.

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Re: diabetes , the fast fix
« Reply #5 on: 14 June 2018, 08:36:02 PM »
I watched it and believe the volunteers are on something similar to the Newcastle Diet. I would try it if it was only for a limited number of weeks but it is knowing where to get the shakes from.  Perhaps they will divulge that information in the second episode tonight.

I could certainly do with losing a lot more weight.  I seem to be able to keep my weight steady but despite being on a very low carb diet and doing aquafit and swimming, I just can't lose any more and am still obese.  If I did the diet on the programme I must surely lose quite a few pounds then I could work at keeping that weight.   
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Re: diabetes , the fast fix
« Reply #6 on: 14 June 2018, 09:20:14 PM »
Sadly that was why John came off LCHF because he initially lost a stone he was still obese at 19 stone - ok he was maintaining but it wasn't getting any more
 weight off.
His dr eventually gave him 12 free weeks at slimming world, which is mainly a low fat regime and the weight dropped off him.  He's now down to under 17 stone and would do better if he hadn't started cheating.  I get so cross because its like he's sabotaging all my efforts with cooking his low fat meals (after I'd embraced the low carb regime).  His blood sugar is now down to between 6 and 7 most times (but not all).
To get the same treatment in UK just ask your NHS doctor - lots of people are on the same 12 week free trial.
I know similar shakes can be optained from Healthy Life but they cost a fortune - they may tell us tonight where to get the real thing.

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Re: diabetes , the fast fix
« Reply #7 on: 14 June 2018, 11:00:50 PM »
As usual it's a crock of doodoo. The participants are taking shakes instead of 'proper food's.

Limited to 800 calories, each person lost weight and hba1c improved.

I wonder if there is a follow on program where they resumed their normal work day life styles and eating 'normal' food?

The specialists claimed they have proved that weight loss has reversed diabetes.


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Forgot to say, I think the most weight loss quoted was 2st, everybody improved their hba1c.


I've lost 4.5st and haven't improved mine......... must be doing something wrong.
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Re: diabetes , the fast fix
« Reply #8 on: 15 June 2018, 08:54:20 AM »
Congratulations on losing 4.5 stone, thats an amazing acheivement!  Was that done by following a low carb diet or by following a low calorie type?
There must be a reason why your HbA1c hasn't improved - would you say your weight is around the accepted 'normal' range now?
The programme was a load of rubbish, but quite fascinating and like you I'd like a follow-up to see if the participants could manage to maintain their weight loss.  But to sum up - what they were really telling us was that long periods of fasting seemed to be a good way of losing the pounds and that (most) people would lose weight on that regime.  No advice on where to find these shakes anyway.
But it was interesting viewing.

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Re: diabetes , the fast fix
« Reply #9 on: 16 June 2018, 09:16:26 AM »
my dietician has said that the shakes Tesco sell ( called Ultra Slim ) are fine to use on this type of diet ( similar to newcastle )
they are not expensive.

on this diet you have 3 shakes per day plus a 200 calorie plate of steamed green veg -- IE : broccoli , spinach , kale , sprouts ,  etc etc.or you can make  a ratatouille using things like courgette ,onion , mushroom ,tomatoes ,aubergine
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Re: diabetes , the fast fix
« Reply #10 on: 16 June 2018, 12:11:00 PM »
I'm one of those people who can't cope with the bitter taste of green vegetables, although I eat them anyway (dunno why really, just because I'm told they're good for me)  but I really have to force them down heavily disguised with other tastes.  But I can see UltraSlim working if you love your greens.
I love the sweeter vegs like carrots and peas - and I also love fruit too!  (not love - like)

The programme certainly made the point that losing weight was the key.

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Re: diabetes , the fast fix
« Reply #11 on: 16 June 2018, 03:13:40 PM »
The Tesco Ultra Slim contains about 26 carbs for a made up sachet.  That seems very high to me and I suspect it is because it contains sugar.

Well done Moby for losing 4.5 stone.  What diet did you follow to lose such a vast amount of weight and are you still overweight?  What is your HbA1c?

My husband has lost 3 stone just by cutting down dramatically on carbs.  I have remained the same weight for a year or so now on my LCHF diet but since taking up aquafit and swimming 2 months ago, I am a lot fitter than I have been for years.

Diabetes Type2 diagnosed March 2014.  Treated by diet only.  HbA1c 60 on diagnosis, 52 in June 2014, 50 October 2014, 44 December 2014, 48 May 2015, 50 Sep 2015, 53 Jan 2016, 50 Oct 2016, 56 Feb 2017, 50 Jun 2017. 50 Aug 2017. 47 Feb 2018  Pacemaker fitted 2008 - replaced 2017.

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Re: diabetes , the fast fix
« Reply #12 on: 16 June 2018, 07:17:46 PM »
I’ve just watched the two episodes on catch up (whilst cleaning the kitchen but I was listening!). It seemed to make the point quite clearly that losing weight is vital, even a small loss from the right places can help a bit but really it’s big losses that make the difference. Some of the ladies on that program were several stones less than me and even for them they needed to lose more weight after the 8 weeks finished.

Was a bit strange at the end that they seemed to suggest that some of them weren’t diabetic just because their a1c was in the normal range... they hadn’t eaten anything for 2 months!
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Re: diabetes , the fast fix
« Reply #13 on: 16 June 2018, 08:38:00 PM »
they also showed that a full english breakfast was no good for diabetics. no mention of the carbs in the beans,tomatoes,toast or sausages, just a shot of a huge breakfast.

then the suggestion of porridge for breakfast came ..... I cant eat any carbs at breakfast without a huge rise.

I'll start a new thread about my experiences after I've worked out what I want to say correctly!

thanks
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Re: diabetes , the fast fix
« Reply #14 on: 17 June 2018, 09:50:51 AM »
Look forward to it.
I have a suspicion that lchf works better for men than it does women, perhaps because of muscle size(?). 
My husband's capacity for fat was his downfall I think - he ate the stiff in shedloads.  He also had a habit of cheating without thinking .... eg he always bought chocolate bars for the children when he collected the Sunday paper, and when they married and grew up he continuedd with this, but he ate the chocolate bars himself.
I thought he'd given the habit up, but when he was away the other weekend I collected the papers for him and the girl in the village shop aske me 'did I still want J's chocolate?'
He's trying this free 12 weeks at slimming world now (basically low fat) but if he's still getting the chocolate ...... well I have my doubts.
I think my own problem was my meals were just too BIG so I'm started using a smaller plate.