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Offline nytquill17

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Re: Jardiance / Forxiga and Ketones
« Reply #15 on: 23 June 2018, 12:41:54 AM »
In blood tests, 0.0-0.6 is normal, 0.6-1.5 is "concern" and 1.5-3.0 is "danger". I dunno recall how the blood scale and the urine scale relate, like if 0-0.6 is the same as "+", but definitely you can have a little ketones just from normal fat burning and stuff, it doesn't always have to be at zero.
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Re: Jardiance / Forxiga and Ketones
« Reply #16 on: 23 June 2018, 07:44:05 AM »
The words on the urine strips are
+/- is traces
+ is faible
++ is moyen
+++ and ++++ are fort

So I think that means probably up to + is normal, ++ is medium and +++ is high. And if they’re high and you don’t know why, or feel ill, or have high bg, then you need to keep checking / seek help? Not sure about if it’s a concern if they’re ++, imagine need to at least keep an eye on which way it’s going.


Having barely ever used ketone strips before, I also noticed that the pack says you must throw away after 6 months of opening. I have used quite a lot this week but doubt I’d ever get through a whole pot of 50 in 6 months!
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Re: Jardiance / Forxiga and Ketones
« Reply #17 on: 23 June 2018, 11:26:36 AM »
I was reading through some old posts last night trying to catch up on three years of absence  and I noticed that Kat's T2 husband had the same thing on canafligozin which is another drug in the same class. So it can't be that rare given that there's not exactly thousands of active members on this forum.
I'm glad you managed to spot the symptoms and avert a hospital visit Lucy. I had thought I might ask for Forxiga if metformin alone doesn't cut it for me anymore, but that's another class of meds of my list now!
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Re: Jardiance / Forxiga and Ketones
« Reply #18 on: 23 June 2018, 09:51:13 PM »
I was reading through some old posts last night trying to catch up on three years of absence  and I noticed that Kat's T2 husband had the same thing on canafligozin which is another drug in the same class. So it can't be that rare given that there's not exactly thousands of active members on this forum.
I'm glad you managed to spot the symptoms and avert a hospital visit Lucy. I had thought I might ask for Forxiga if metformin alone doesn't cut it for me anymore, but that's another class of meds of my list now!

Oh really, that’s interesting. The letter arrived telling me and GP the plan that i would start taking these tablets and mentioned DKA as a “very rare” side effect, as well as the more common urine infections etc. My ketones were none this morning, not even traces. So going to stop checking them now, unless feel ill or high etc.
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Re: Jardiance / Forxiga and Ketones
« Reply #19 on: 24 June 2018, 11:24:14 AM »
Actually ISTR reading an article about this class of drugs causing DKA about the time Moby started on them.  I think I alerted him to the article. 


I mean honestly.... “here, take this drug which may give you urine infections and.. oh... the odd person may get a life threatening condition which they won’t recognise and nor will their Dr, but it will help control your BG”. Who even thought this drug was a good idea?
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« Reply #20 on: 29 June 2018, 02:29:22 PM »
Have you yellow carded them, Lucy?  You should if not - it's OK the mfrs saying 'very rare' so neither the GP nor the patient reports the adverse effect on this person or that, so the original 'very rare' finding remains.

BUT - what if it isn't actually 'very rare' at all?
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Re: Jardiance / Forxiga and Ketones
« Reply #21 on: 29 June 2018, 09:19:16 PM »
Have you yellow carded them, Lucy?  You should if not - it's OK the mfrs saying 'very rare' so neither the GP nor the patient reports the adverse effect on this person or that, so the original 'very rare' finding remains.

BUT - what if it isn't actually 'very rare' at all?

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« Reply #22 on: 01 July 2018, 01:55:04 AM »
Hi All,
I've been on Jardiance for over a year.  At first I was started on 10mg twice/day.  During this period I lost 1/2 stone in maybe a month.  The diabetic nurse then switched me to 25mg once per day (it's cheaper) and weight loss stopped.
I now use the triple therapy metformin, gliclazide and Jardiance (an approved NICE therapy).  It works OK but no weight loss.
Jardiance inhibits a protein in your kidneys so that they do not reabsorb glucose. Therefore glucose is eliminated.  Personally I cannot see anything wrong with is type of drug because basically it just reduces your renal threshold.
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« Reply #23 on: 01 July 2018, 01:24:09 PM »
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Re: Jardiance / Forxiga and Ketones
« Reply #24 on: 02 July 2018, 10:36:14 PM »
im sure they work great for those who don’t get side effects, I felt too unwell to continue with them. My next consultant appointment has been brought forward from December to September and I’ve got a dietician appointment in August. I think I’ve exhausted every T2 med now and can just stick to metformin, insulin and lifestyle changes, and my beta blockers, which is great by me. Think I’d prefer to stick to things without weird side effects.
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