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Offline Liam

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A wee hypo story
« on: 02 January 2019, 11:55:49 AM »
So last night as I was drifting off to sleep I start to feel a bit of a hypo. I'm silly about it and ignore it. It them becomes much more clearly a hypo and I have to wake up properly.


I test at 3 and have about 5 units of IoB. I then eat a handful of gummy cola bottles, an apple, two tangerines and a small box of mixed dried fruit (mostly raisins)


I know I'm over treating it but can't seem to use willpower to stop it.


Well I wake early-ish, thirsty and needing to pee. Sure enough I test 25.6 So now at lunch time I'm just starting to get back to results in range.


Thanks for reading. Thought I might as well share it with others that would understand. I could have posted this on FB but of course it means little to my family and friends. One of the things I love about this forum. Nice to have a group of friends that understand and supports with the whole diabetes thing.
DX Type I 1994.    Novorapid Animas Vibe pump
HbA1c 3/10 10.2%, 7/10 8.1%, 12/10 7.5%.
2/11 7.8%, 8/11 8.6% 9/11 8.3%.
3/12 62 (7.8%). 10/12 67 (8.3%)
4/13 63 (7.9%) 6/13 59 (7.5%)
1/14 71 (8.6%) 7/14 59 (7.5%) 11/14 (6.7%)
3/15 56 (7.3%) 12/15 49 (6.6%)
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Re: A wee hypo story
« Reply #1 on: 02 January 2019, 01:11:54 PM »
Liam, I've been there and done that and ended up with the same results.  I don't always over treat a hypo, but it seems to happen more often than I would like.  The main thing is that this morning your numbers are returning to your normal target range.  Do you ever find yourself with a headache after such a low hypo?  It happens to me, so curious if it happens to you.
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Re: A wee hypo story
« Reply #2 on: 02 January 2019, 02:59:13 PM »
I rarely get headaches at all and not had one caused by a low. I wonder how common that is? Not heard of it until now but maybe some of our other members get them? I'm sure others will post if they do.

I'm not sure why sometimes I over treat and other times not. Mostly I take a bolus when I do but last night I fell asleep without bolusing for the extra carbs.
DX Type I 1994.    Novorapid Animas Vibe pump
HbA1c 3/10 10.2%, 7/10 8.1%, 12/10 7.5%.
2/11 7.8%, 8/11 8.6% 9/11 8.3%.
3/12 62 (7.8%). 10/12 67 (8.3%)
4/13 63 (7.9%) 6/13 59 (7.5%)
1/14 71 (8.6%) 7/14 59 (7.5%) 11/14 (6.7%)
3/15 56 (7.3%) 12/15 49 (6.6%)
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Re: A wee hypo story
« Reply #3 on: 02 January 2019, 10:23:17 PM »
I had one New Years Day evening - sitting chatting to friends and playing a dice game - an open box of Roses was passed round so I decided to have one - you know what it's like, it was 4 I think, so anyway we went back to the van and thought I better have some insulin so I did - but did I test before I did it?  No!

Felt hypo a bit later, Oh flip 3.3.  Pete passed me the Lucozade but I didn't want Lucozade so the only biscuits we had taken were Petticoat Tails - the fully circular sort marked in segments that you break apart yourself.  There was about one quarter of a circle, but a bit lopsided, circa 2.5 segments.  I enjoyed eating them - but no way were they going to cure a 3.3, so it was soon 2.8.  So I swigged more Lucozade than enough to have cured it without the biscuits.

25.4 this morning about 07.10 am Liam!  I tested because this was the third time I'd had to get out of bed for the bathroom in just over an hour.  What a twerp!

We absolutely DO all do it, don't we!

I wonder if the gin, cider and red wine (not simultaneously) had anything to do with it?

The last twice we've been to the same place at New Year, we've played 'heckle the Quizmaster' - all lovely people who we don't heckle the rest of the year, so they wonder what's going on - so much easier when you've had a drink! -  and both times got a higher score than anyone else so won it - either a box of chocs or biscuits, so of course we've never kept the prize, just opened them and passed em round so everyone wins in the end.  Just good fun!
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HbA1c - 7/07 8.7, 1/08 7.8, 9/08 8.4, 3/09 7.3, 7/09 7.2, 12/09 7.3, 11/10 8.1, 2/11 8.6, 9/11 6.5 2/12 6.4  5/12 50/6.7  11/12 52/6.9  01/13 46/6.4  06/16 46/6.4  12/16 45/6.4

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Re: A wee hypo story
« Reply #4 on: 03 January 2019, 10:33:59 AM »
I try not to over-treat, but it is hard sometimes!  Pre-lunch yesterday, much to my surprise, I was 3.2 and shaking like a leaf.  Couldn’t understand it as I’d “done nothing”, but of course I’d had an appointment with the physio and been well massaged and pummelled.  I ate two glucose tabs plus a bowl of soup and half a crusty sourdough loaf with lashings of butter.  Fortunately right after eating I tested, 11.3 and I bolussed right away.


No I don’t get headaches after hypos but I have heard that lots of people do.
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Re: A wee hypo story
« Reply #5 on: 03 January 2019, 10:54:00 AM »
I'm sure I posted here about how my hypo warnings had been getting weaker and sometimes I was testing at finding out I was 2.5-4 with no idea.

Well I set my target BG on my pump a good bit higher. This has lead to a higher average BG (and I'm guessing hba1c) More importantly it has lead to me getting warnings at 3-4 again.

I feel lucky to have been able to reverse the hypo unawareness before it truly became full blown and was able not to have a 3rd party hypo.



I've now set my targets a bit lower but not as tight as they have been in the past. It is only really a tweak of about 1 mmol but hopefully that should bring my average down a bit.
DX Type I 1994.    Novorapid Animas Vibe pump
HbA1c 3/10 10.2%, 7/10 8.1%, 12/10 7.5%.
2/11 7.8%, 8/11 8.6% 9/11 8.3%.
3/12 62 (7.8%). 10/12 67 (8.3%)
4/13 63 (7.9%) 6/13 59 (7.5%)
1/14 71 (8.6%) 7/14 59 (7.5%) 11/14 (6.7%)
3/15 56 (7.3%) 12/15 49 (6.6%)
Ramipril: 10mg Quetiapine: 550mg Metformin: 2000mg

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Re: A wee hypo story
« Reply #6 on: 03 January 2019, 01:17:52 PM »
Loss of hypo awareness tends to just creep up on me - not badly in recent years - but as soon as I notice a few odd readings under 4 when I test but haven't suspected beforehand, then I just adjust and think about things a bit more before thinking well I was Ok an hour ago so it won't hurt to eat this 4g carb/not bother to test before I jab for this 10g.  OK - it doesn't 'hurt' 9 times out of 10 - but that 10% when it does is a flippin nuisance - and all because I couldn't be bothered to do it properly in the first place.

Just things like weighing it or reading the packet again rather than deciding either that these are 8g each and they aren't cos I've mis-remembered - or my BG is OK and it's not!
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HbA1c - 7/07 8.7, 1/08 7.8, 9/08 8.4, 3/09 7.3, 7/09 7.2, 12/09 7.3, 11/10 8.1, 2/11 8.6, 9/11 6.5 2/12 6.4  5/12 50/6.7  11/12 52/6.9  01/13 46/6.4  06/16 46/6.4  12/16 45/6.4

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Re: A wee hypo story
« Reply #7 on: 03 January 2019, 01:50:52 PM »
Sympathies Liam, I got up to a 'supposed' 6.4 two days ago, started to make OH's sarnies for work and started to feel very ill, I felt sick, was shaking & felt if I didn't sit down I was going to fall down. So sat & tested again, still 6.4, crappy meter. Anyhoo any excuse for the Haribo jelly babies but can I stop at 3? Of course I can't, they come in 6 colours so straight away I had one of each but they taste so good so I had another 6  ::) I went back to bed & woke hours later to 19.4 doh!

I am struggling with hypo symptoms at the mo anyway as the Hyperthyroid has more or less the same symptoms (nowhere near as bad as the 6.4 morning, that was a hypo definitely) but the Hyper symptoms are hot flushes & much sweating, shaking hands, racing heart beat etc so I'm doing a lot of testing to differentiate, such fun.
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April 2013 50/6.7%
July 2013 39/5.7%
Oct 2013 39/5.7% Chol 5.9
July 2014 45/6.3% Chol 5.5
Aug 2015 61/7.7% Chol 5.9
May 2016 84/9.7% Chol 6.9
Oct 2016 53/7%  Chol 6.3
Dec 2016 41/5.9% Chol 6.0
June 2017 51/6.8% Chol 6.1
Oct 2017 52/6.9%
Jan 2018 51/6.8% Chol 5.9
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Re: A wee hypo story
« Reply #8 on: 04 January 2019, 01:20:55 AM »
@Quantum Learning

Is your meter regularly unreliable?
Jenny

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HbA1c - 7/07 8.7, 1/08 7.8, 9/08 8.4, 3/09 7.3, 7/09 7.2, 12/09 7.3, 11/10 8.1, 2/11 8.6, 9/11 6.5 2/12 6.4  5/12 50/6.7  11/12 52/6.9  01/13 46/6.4  06/16 46/6.4  12/16 45/6.4

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Re: A wee hypo story
« Reply #9 on: 04 January 2019, 09:04:50 AM »

Totally understandable.

One of my first symptoms of being hypo is making poor decisions....

"Oh I feel a little hypo but I'm tired/I'm stuck in a meeting/I'm on a phone call I've been waiting to take for months/I just have to finish this task.... so i'll just carry on for now...."

And then it becomes a crash and you have three bits of candy or five or most of a bag because somehow you can't stop by then, must be the body taking over saying, hey TREAT this thing!

Patti, massage is exercise someone else does to you! Whenever I have a full body massage I have to allow for it.


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Re: A wee hypo story
« Reply #10 on: 04 January 2019, 09:31:54 AM »
i try not to overtreat hypos but sometimes the brain is just screaming eat eat eat at me.............i used to get headaches after a bad low but havent for quite a few years now.

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Re: A wee hypo story
« Reply #11 on: 04 January 2019, 12:30:51 PM »
I've only had headaches when the hypo has resulted in a Hypostop jab, it starts just after the projectile vomiting, ie when I come round.  Not after a 'normal' hypo though.
Jenny

T1 DX 1972, pumping Novorapid 24/05/11

HbA1c - 7/07 8.7, 1/08 7.8, 9/08 8.4, 3/09 7.3, 7/09 7.2, 12/09 7.3, 11/10 8.1, 2/11 8.6, 9/11 6.5 2/12 6.4  5/12 50/6.7  11/12 52/6.9  01/13 46/6.4  06/16 46/6.4  12/16 45/6.4

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Re: A wee hypo story
« Reply #12 on: 04 January 2019, 03:27:01 PM »
@Quantum Learning

Is your meter regularly unreliable?

Yes, I got up to 4.8 this morning & felt fine, the 6.4 the other day, I felt like I was going to collapse. Sometimes when I'm correcting the difference can be as much as 3 units over two tests which to me is the difference between 16 units of Novo or just 10, I always go low to be safe. This is the 3rd one of these meters & they've all been the same.
I've complained over & over to the DSN & she keeps apologising but says I can't have a better meter as I'm not type 1 & she's not allowed to give me one, there's no point complaining to a doctor as they haven't got a clue.
Type 2 dx Nov 2012 FBG 14%/129.5
HbA1c Jan 2013 79/9.3%
April 2013 50/6.7%
July 2013 39/5.7%
Oct 2013 39/5.7% Chol 5.9
July 2014 45/6.3% Chol 5.5
Aug 2015 61/7.7% Chol 5.9
May 2016 84/9.7% Chol 6.9
Oct 2016 53/7%  Chol 6.3
Dec 2016 41/5.9% Chol 6.0
June 2017 51/6.8% Chol 6.1
Oct 2017 52/6.9%
Jan 2018 51/6.8% Chol 5.9
Sept 2018 47/6.4% Chol 4.8
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Re: A wee hypo story
« Reply #13 on: 04 January 2019, 10:49:24 PM »
I really don't understand the whole type I Vs a type II that is using insulin (MDI) It isn't like a type II needs a less accurate result to decide on how much insulin they need. Or if they are having a hypo.

Could you ask your GP if they would prescribe another strip type? It is normally the GP that does the prescription and often them that decide on costs etc

A lot of companies will give you a free or fairly cheap meter as long as you tell them you'll be using their strips.

DX Type I 1994.    Novorapid Animas Vibe pump
HbA1c 3/10 10.2%, 7/10 8.1%, 12/10 7.5%.
2/11 7.8%, 8/11 8.6% 9/11 8.3%.
3/12 62 (7.8%). 10/12 67 (8.3%)
4/13 63 (7.9%) 6/13 59 (7.5%)
1/14 71 (8.6%) 7/14 59 (7.5%) 11/14 (6.7%)
3/15 56 (7.3%) 12/15 49 (6.6%)
Ramipril: 10mg Quetiapine: 550mg Metformin: 2000mg

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Re: A wee hypo story
« Reply #14 on: 05 January 2019, 01:30:42 PM »
I don't understand it either, I've got a One Touch Ultra & a Freestyle Insulinx but the surgery won't prescribe me any other strips other than for their cheap rubbish meter a Microdot. Rules is rules apparently.  :banghead:
Type 2 dx Nov 2012 FBG 14%/129.5
HbA1c Jan 2013 79/9.3%
April 2013 50/6.7%
July 2013 39/5.7%
Oct 2013 39/5.7% Chol 5.9
July 2014 45/6.3% Chol 5.5
Aug 2015 61/7.7% Chol 5.9
May 2016 84/9.7% Chol 6.9
Oct 2016 53/7%  Chol 6.3
Dec 2016 41/5.9% Chol 6.0
June 2017 51/6.8% Chol 6.1
Oct 2017 52/6.9%
Jan 2018 51/6.8% Chol 5.9
Sept 2018 47/6.4% Chol 4.8
Metformin SR 2g, Doxazosin 4mg, Lansoprazole 30mg, Fexofenadine 180mg Co-Codamol 30/500g  Amitriptyline 20mg
Toujeo/NovoRapid, Allergic 2 Levemir